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jcwat101
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Posted: Fri Mar 7th, 2008 18:29 |
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I just wanted to let you all know, in case you hadn't noticed it that my update of the Sunscreen Overview is now at:
Sunscreen Overview -- Updated Feb. 24, 2008
The previous link won't work anymore.
I tried to warn people more about not viewing sunscreen as a substitute for other avoidance measures, I mentioned how the symptoms and timing of the reaction may differ later in the MP (and be harder to detect), and how I have found the higher percentage zinc oxide is probably often more helpful than the other options, particularly later in the MP.
Also, I emphasized that any experimentation with light exposure with or without sunscreen should be done cautiously, and especially cautiously if one has a particularly severe or serious illness, even if one doesn't think one is light sensitive anymore, as this may change and may manifest differently. Most of the new stuff is in the Addendum.
I was sent samples of Kabana's new formulation, BTW, and I like it much better -- smoother, easier to apply and also there is one with a very slight tint to it using iron oxide, so it blends in more with the skin. It's supposed to be for sale in 6 weeks or so, but if you ask for a sample, if you call, they will probably send you one with your order of their regular kind.
There are also other types with high % zinc oxide that some may prefer, listed at the above link. I just thought I should let you know about the change in the Kabana brand, as that is the highest %. In fact, I should also mention the new formulation will have 25% rather than 20% zinc oxide.
Joyce Waterhouse
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Posted: Tue Apr 8th, 2008 03:26 |
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I added a note at the sunscreen thread (see link above) regarding the potential for using more than one coat of sunscreen. I have now used as many as 3 or 4 coats on a few occasions when I was going to be outside for several hours and it was very helpful. The product says it can be reapplied as needed (I use the Kabana to obtain the maximum protection -- it's 20% zinc oxide and new formula will be 25%). By applying it several hours apart, it avoids being too greasy.
Joyce Waterhouse
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Posted: Tue Apr 15th, 2008 19:11 |
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Hello Joyce,
Just wanted to let you know of another brand of sunblock on the market, containing 12.5% & 20.5% levels of micronized zinc oxide…The company is called Badger Balm and they are in the USA..…I find these sunblocks to be a bit greasy and they take a while to be absorbed….But I haven’t tried any other product, so really can’t compare them to anything else on the market..I was talking with the owner recently and he said they will be changing the formulation later this year..I think he said they would be using less olive oil and more jojoba oil, which apparently absorbs into the skin better..
http://www.badgerbalm.com/c-6-sun-care.aspx
Badger Sunblock SPF 30 – 2.9 oz tube
Active Ingredient: Micronized Zinc Oxide- 20.5%
Ingredients: Organic Extra Virgin Olive Oil, Natural Beeswax, Organic Jojoba Oil, Organic Cocoa Butter, Wild African Shea Butter, Organic CO2 Extract of Seabuckthorn Berry, and Essential Oils of Lavender, Moroccan Blue Tansy, Ylang Ylang, Lime and Orange.
Badger Sunblock SPF 15 – 2.9 oz tube
Active Ingredient: Micronized Zinc Oxide- 12.5%
Ingredients: Organic Extra Virgin Olive Oil, Natural Beeswax, Organic Jojoba Oil, Organic Cocoa Butter, Wild African Shea Butter, Organic CO2 Extract of Seabuckthorn Berry, and Essential Oils of Lavender, Moroccan Blue Tansy, Ylang Ylang, Lime and Orange.
Perhaps you could add this info, to the main thread on sunscreens..Thanks!!
Cheers ~ Lisa 
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jcwat101
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Posted: Tue Apr 15th, 2008 22:04 |
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Lisa,
I looked at the product. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
I have a little reservation about the herbal extract added as it is an unfamiliar one that is apparently from China. Sometimes vitamin D is added to supplements and herbal extracts can have unknown effects on the immune system (and topical substances of that sort are often absorbed -- unlike the zinc itself). In fact, I decided to add this line to the Sunscreen overview just now:
"Herbal extracts probably should be avoided when possible, as they may have unknown effects on the immune system."
But if your 25D levels continue to go down while using it and you continue to do well, maybe I will add it later. Have you been using it long enough to know if your 25D is continuing to go down?
Joyce Waterhouse
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Posted: Tue Apr 15th, 2008 22:35 |
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Hi Joyce,
Oh boy,  that's interesting...I have been using it for two months now and had my 25-D tested recently and it had actually gone up from 19.6 to 20.0 ..So I re-checked my foods and found my cheesie snacks contained Sunflower Oil and my hand cream contained Coconut and Grape Seed Oil..so I have eliminated them and was going to have my 25-D checked again in one month's time which will be early May....
Is it the SeaBuckthorn Berry that you are concerned about and are referring to when you say herbal extracts? I myself was concerned about the essential oils in them, just b/c I don't do so well with tolerating things like that, but this was the only product I could find at Whole Foods that was suitable...
I guess I will wait and see what the new 25-D results show and if they still haven't come down, then this could be the culprit and I will have to stop using it and order one of the other sunscreens...
Thanks for the heads up on that....
Lisa
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jcwat101
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Posted: Wed Apr 16th, 2008 02:49 |
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I suppose it is possible some of the oils could be an issue too, but I'm more concerned about the Seabuckthorn Berry since it is new and unusual and they make a lot of claims about it rejuvenating cells. Makes one wonder if they might have decided to add some vitamin D to it thinking it might help or just that it might have some unusual and not well-understood immune effects.
Joyce Waterhouse
Last edited on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 02:50 by jcwat101
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Posted: Sun May 4th, 2008 02:19 |
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I just wanted to mention that I posted something about how best to use multiple layers of high % zinc oxide recently in this thread:
SUNSCREEN questions & suggestions - page 3
I had mentioned in a post on page 2 of that thread how this allowed me to take a trip without any problems recently, besides being quite sensitive to the sun. By combining the zinc oxide multiple layers on face and neck, along with covering up elsewhere and hat and NoIRs I did fine. For me, one layer of even high % zinc oxide sunscreen would not have been enough for the amount of time I was outdoors or in a car, but the way I did it, it worked out fine. However, people differ and everyone must be cautious (particularly those who are sicker), as discussed in the updated Sunscreen Overview:
***Sunscreen Overview -- Updated Feb. 24, 2008
Joyce Waterhouse
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Posted: Sun May 18th, 2008 16:12 |
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Hello Joyce,
Just wanted to let you know that I re-tested my 25-D on May 5, 2008 and the levels have dropped from 20 to 18....despite still using my sunblock, that contains SeaBuckthorn Berry ...which you were concerned might have some effects on the immune system...
I guess we still don't know for sure, if this herb has any effect on the immune system, as I had just removed some items in my diet, that contained sunflower oil and milk ingredients, a month before re-testing my D-levels,..so perhaps the drop in D is a result of this...I will carry on using this sunblock and re-test the D level again in 2 mths and see what the outcome is at that time.......If it hasn't dropped anymore, then I will remove that sunblock and re-test again in 1 mths time after that and see what the result is...
Cheers ~ Lisa
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Posted: Sun May 18th, 2008 16:46 |
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Lisa,
Thanks for the update. It would also be good to be sure you are having IPR and improvement at the same level with it and without it (or with a different sunscreen), to know it isn't having any immune system effects that you can detect.
Joyce Waterhouse
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Posted: Mon May 19th, 2008 02:35 |
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Hi Joyce,
Sorry (little out of it today) but I didn't quite get the jist of your message...Could you explain a little more...Thanks..
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Posted: Mon May 19th, 2008 02:59 |
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It's just they make claims for it having immune system effects. So, whether or not it affects your vitamin D levels, if it had some immune system effects that affected your level of bacterial killing one way or another, that would be an issue of concern. It probably isn't that likely you would get enough of an effect from the amount in the lotion being absorbed, but I thought it was possible. If you are thinking you are progressing fine, it's probably O.K. But as you know, on the MP it is not encouraged to take things that might have unknown effects on the immune system.
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Posted: Fri Jul 25th, 2008 01:06 |
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Hello Joyce,
Some good news for you about my 25D levels..I stopped using the Badger Balm sunscreen, for probably over a month now, and re-checked my 25D levels on July 14th...(2 mths from the last test)...They have dropped more drastically now, from 18.0 down to 11.6 in just two months...Where as before, they were only dropping one point, every two months...So I would say that the Badger Balm sunscreen (with the SeaBuckthorn Berry) was having some effects on my Immune System.
I would like to know what negative effects do you experience when going out in the daylight? ....and when do you experience them, at that time or the following day?
Last nite I went to a Dr's appt and Walmart afterwards...I left the house at 6:40 pm and got home around 9pm...I was exposed to daylight for about a total of 50 mins..I wore one layer of Kabana sunscreen all over my body, blue jeans, a short sleeved t-shirt, with a jean jacket and a Columbia windbreaker over top, a scarf around my neck, cloth gloves, double NoIR's & hat and still experienced increased spine/back & shoulder pain & fatigue today....
Is this normal to have a negative reaction the day after, despite being so covered up?
Thanks
~ Lisa 
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Posted: Sun Mar 8th, 2009 16:00 |
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Was wondering...is it okay forus MP'ers to use a body lotion with a bronzer in it, to give those of us who are so pale some colour?.....I would like to have a bit of colour on my skin this summer...so as to not look like a ghost..
~Lisa
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Posted: Mon Mar 9th, 2009 04:12 |
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I don't see that it would be a problem. Of course, look to make sure they don't add something with vitamin D in it, like sunflower oil (also vitamin D can also be called cholecalciferol or ergocalciferol). It's always good to check the ingredient list carefully. I also think it generally best to not use things with herbal ingredients, as one doesn't know what they may contain. Of course, one won't be having a lot of skin exposed to the sun when outdoors typically.
BTW, there is also a version of Kabana zinc oxide sunscreen that has a little tint to it. One has to be a bit careful not to get it on one's clothes (the tint is iron oxide, which is essentially rust).
Joyce Waterhouse
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Posted: Thu Mar 12th, 2009 16:51 |
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Hi Joyce,
thanks for your response...I have been looking at the ingred. list of some of the bronzers/moisturizers out there and one that I am interested in is also a firming moisturizer that contains hydrolyzed elastin & collagen for firming the skin...would this be okay?...especially since Lyme does go after our Collagen...
Lisa 
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Posted: Fri Mar 13th, 2009 04:55 |
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Lisa,
I haven't researched the issue, but I don't know of anything wrong with the ingredients you mention.
Joyce Waterhouse
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