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maman
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Posted: Sat Oct 20th, 2007 18:13 |
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This is the result from the test I had recently. Can anyone guide me in what to do next.
A friend told me to try MP's advise.
Enzymes (digestion)
Elevated: Rouleau:
Red blood cells arranged like rolls or stacks of coins. Usually related tolarge amount of proteins in the blood. Reduces the exposed surface area of redblood cells and diminishes the exchange of oxygen for carbon dioxide, resultingin localized acidosis as well as generalized fatigue due to the slowing ofcirculation.
Moderate: Erythrocyte Aggregation:
The clumping together of red blood cells also referred to as 'blood sludge'.There is a restriction in the flow of oxygen and blood through the capillaries.If they become large enough they may form blood clots as well as damage organs.Ingestion of high fat meals, high blood cholesterol levels and upsets in bloodfat chemistry have all been associated with increases in aggregation.
White blood cells (Immune system)
GOOD: Neutrophil
Represent the largest percentage of white blood cells found in the blood. Theyare responsible for engulfing microbes and foreign objects. Viability isdetermined by their activity (irregular shapes) and large size.
Toxicity
Moderate: Spicules or Fibrinogen
Platelets which have mutated from their normal disc shape to needle-likeprojections giving the appearance of 'cracked glass'. May beconsidered heavy proteins in the blood and are usually seen in liver stress asa result of poor digestion, excessive alcohol, antibiotics, drugs or tobacco.
Bacteria
Moderate: Mesosomes
An embryonic bacteria that appears round and has a hole creating a donut appearance.Large numbers may indicate bacterial overgrowth due to a low immune system orhigh blood sugar.
Moderate: Rod forms
Rod-shape, dumbbell-shape or spiral bacteria that are the most motile of allbacteria. Often associated with fast-spreading, advanced stages of diseases.May be produced by parasitized red blood cells when they destroy their host.May indicate inactive friendly intestinal bacteria and poor assimilation. Theyproduce toxic by-products.
Elevated: Yeast
A fungal stage that bacteria goes through which is single-celled and usuallyround. A result of poorly assimilated foods, low oxygen in the blood streamand/or an excessive amount of blood sugars. May cause fatigue, allergies andskin problems.
The treatment the clinician recommends is:
Digestive enzymes, flora/friendly bacteria. Whole food vitamin support/B12.
For 30 day cleansing - oil of oregano.
And Ionic foot bath cell cleanser.
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Chronic pain. No energy. 2 levels spine surgery. Fusion L5/S1 ADR L4/L5.
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Posted: Sun Oct 21st, 2007 03:44 |
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Maman,
Nobody has wanted to comment on the data you posted. I guess if anybody had thought there was anything useful in it they would have told you. I took a quick look, and was not at all happy that your blood was likely to have contained what was being reported.
The enzymes, etc, will not cure you. At best they will delay the inevitable decline. But they usually don't even do that very well.
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maman
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Posted: Sun Oct 21st, 2007 04:01 |
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What can be done then? I am desperate for any help. Have to see an Immunologist next year April! That's how long it takes to get appointments.
Pain management Doc can take up to 1 yr waiting.
Any output would be appreciated.
Dr. Marshall, could you help me in any way??
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GeorgeinRollaMO
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Posted: Sun Oct 21st, 2007 05:36 |
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Maman,
You sound as desperate as I was three plus years ago. I thought that I would be in a wheel chair by this date. I am not, nor do I think like that now. You have come to the correct place!!!  Welcome!!!
Remember that the Th1 inflammation is a soup or stew of pleomorphic bacteria L-forms that are causing a soup or stew of symptoms. It is not one microbe causing one illness/disease.
That is a hard concept to understand or accept when one has been thinking as the medical doctors keep thinking as they were trained to think, and the medical review boards keep insisting to regiment them into acting accordingly. That process does not allow for new thinking!
May I suggest that you read and study the following written by a MP member Amy Proal:
http://bacteriality.com/2007/08/28/horizontal-gene-transfer/
Perhaps that will allow you to break with the past, and start really studying and accepting this new 21st Century thinking, the MP pathogenesis (cause of disease), which will lead you into doing the MP protocol (treatment).
You will then need to study and advocate for yourself. You will need to turn your doctor's head, in affect. NOT an easy job! But possible. It will not happen overnight. It will take a bit of time. Almost all of us ahead of you have had to do that. Someone might say it is "paying the dues".
We are here to direct you to the study material much as a college program does. It is you that has to read and learn and advocate for yourself.
Do go to all of the links that we supply. We cannot write that information for each new member.
Most of us have found that GP's rather than specialists are more prone to do the MP.
I wondered what type of practitioner your "clinician" is when I read your post? Would you mind saying?
We are truly here to help you get improved health... maybe, even "cured", the Lord be willing.
Wishing you, and all, wellness!!! 
Dark Vader... aka, George
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Borreliosis (but really Th1 inflammation). Start D values, July '04, 125D/57, 25D/61...over supplementation with D (fish oil).
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maman
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Posted: Sun Oct 21st, 2007 15:24 |
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Hi George,
Thank you for your response. You could see that I am confused. Yes, the fear is there as I don't know why am I regressing since the surgery. The 1st yr, healing was pretty good (though with help of meds), was able to return slowly back to work. Then all of sudden, health started to decline and many factors were problems. Had to stop work. The surgeon calls it very successfull as the job is well done.
Why the regression??
Lately, walking brings me more pain. No energy at all, sleeping, laying down most of the time.
On the ADR forum, an "angel" kept asking me if I have done any blood work. He felt very strongly that all my problems are related to inflammatory disease. Finally, I went to a private clinic and got the test done.
The clinician has worked in Arizona for several yrs and has been in contact with the military base. From what I read it says:
" Have experience of 40 yrs in Natural Medicine and Medicine. A gifted speaker and healer, has lectured all over North America. Includes the Coming Plagues, Energetic Medicine, the need for enzymes and probiotics.
Diversified background of Live Blood Cell Nutritional Microscopy, Reflexology, Cold light laser, Biofeedback, Hawaiian Massage, cell detoxification. Dr. of Homeopathic care, Dr. of Acupuncture. This dynamic team has an advanced whole body scanning technology known as E.I.S system (electro interstitial scan).
When I read Dr. Marshall comments:
The enzymes, etc, will not cure you. At best they will delay the inevitable decline. But they usually don't even do that very well.
I know I have to do something but where to start?
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GeorgeinRollaMO
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Posted: Sun Oct 21st, 2007 18:26 |
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Maman,
The first thing for you to do is to read... lots!!!! Then do some tests (D metalbolite tests) after you have brought yourself up to an understanding level of the thinking of the MP.
First, read that link that I gave you above.
Then, read, "The Truth about Vitamin D..." at http://bacteriality.com/2007/09/15/vitamind/
There are links to other articles in the right hand column of that "bacteriality.com" site. They are all written by a MP member, Amy Proal. Dr. Marshall says they are excellent.
These articles (links) will give you the background to understand my second sentence in my first post to you..... "Remember that the Th1 inflammation is a soup or stew of pleomorphic bacteria L-forms that are causing a soup or stew of symptoms. It is not one microbe causing one illness/disease."
You do not have to understand every word. The gist of each article is enough. I found that reading an article/scientific paper a number of times helps me to understand better.
It is as I said previously...."We are here to direct you to the study material much as a college program does. It is you that has to read and learn and advocate for yourself."
Can you do this? 
When you are up to a certain level of understanding of the MP, we will transfer you out of the "kindergarten" of the MP to be ready to do the MP. I hope that you can realize that you are not quite ready yet. This is NOT like taking two-pills-a-day-for-two-weeks treatment. But that is why people are having success with doing the MP. However, YOU have to make the decisions.
Wishing you, and all, wellness!!!
Dark Vader...aka, George
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Borreliosis (but really Th1 inflammation). Start D values, July '04, 125D/57, 25D/61...over supplementation with D (fish oil).
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maman
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Posted: Sun Oct 21st, 2007 19:21 |
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Thank you, George. Yes, I have a lot to read.
Just finish Bacteriality/Vitamin D.
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Chronic pain. No energy. 2 levels spine surgery. Fusion L5/S1 ADR L4/L5.
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maman
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Posted: Sat Oct 27th, 2007 00:41 |
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Hi George,
What test do I need for D's? I am trying to see a blood disease specialist BUT the appt is for next yr!!!
Meanwhile I have stopped my multi Vit which includes 400 IU vit D along with Calcium with 400 IU D. It sure scared me.
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Reenie
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Posted: Sat Oct 27th, 2007 00:46 |
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D-Metabolites Tests
Basic blood tests for the MP
PS - if you take the space out of your signature line you'll be able to fit all the info there.
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GeorgeinRollaMO
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Posted: Sat Oct 27th, 2007 16:37 |
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Maman,
Reenie's suggestion for reading is a good one! And by the way, one of Reenie's big symptoms was chronic fatigue, as well as mine.
One of the good diagnosic codes for doing the 125D and 25D tests is 780.9... for fatigue.
After your read lots, and becoming familar with the Marshall Pathogenesis (cause of disease) and Protocol (treatment), print out some papers for a doctor as suggested in the "Essential Information" and "Marshall Protocol FAQs" forums, at the other "library" site, both required reading to doing the MP. Doctors LOVE papers!!! Then, give him/her time to read them, if necessary, but get a commitment that the doc will read them. Underline in red those passages that may fit you best, if you see something.
You might ask something along these lines, "Doc, if you don't have anything that will cure me as opposed to only treating my symptoms and making me FEEL good in the short run, but allowing my disease to grow un-checked, would you at least assist me to do the MP, even if you don't believe in the MP, to learn and observe if this NEW 21st Century thinking is worthwhile. I think that it has merit over the following of the 1867 postulates of Dr. Robert Koch, currently used, which are not doing the job."
I would suggest that you see a GP or Family Doctor. Why wait so long for that blood specialist.... but go to that doc if you haven't found an assisting doc by then. It seems that MP members have better luck with the GP/Family type physicians as opposed to specialists. If you have used a GP or Family doctor previously, try that doc first. And bring those papers with you!!!
These L-forms are not a very fast growing bacterial form. So, that gives you time to being prepared as a better course of action, then leaving it all up to the medical doctor.
Wishing all wellness!!!
Dark Vader...aka, George
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Reenie
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Posted: Sat Oct 27th, 2007 17:13 |
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Speaking of symptoms, here is a list of Hypervitaminosis-D Symptoms or High 1,25-D. You can't tell from a 25-D test alone if you have Hypervitaminosis D without checking the 1,25-D as well. (one can be low while the other is elevated)
You might want to print out that list and note how many of those symptoms you have. When I looked at the list when I first found the MP, I was AMAZED at how many symptoms I've had at one time or another over the course of my life. This enabled me to realize I had finally found a solution to my many ailments that didn't seem to relate to one another.
You know how Drs often only specialize in one symptom and its treatment so the concept of treating ALL of your symptoms with ONE treatment is a very different concept to most of them, and the patients as well.
PS While I was still researching the MP, I not only stopped taking D but also began to cover myself up from the sun and light by darkening my home and staying indoors during the daytime. This was all the evidence I needed to know Dr Marshall was on to something. I had some symptom resolution just from doing that long before I had any blood tests or had taken any of the MP meds! 
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Posted: Tue Oct 30th, 2007 19:49 |
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Hi Maman,
I am in Oakville, Ontario...The two Vit D tests required can be done by your G.P, you don't have to wait to see a blood specialist and the good new is, they are covered here in Ontario under OHIP...
I am curious, who did your Dark Field Blood Analysis...you can private message me with the answer to that question, if you'd prefer not to meniton any dr's name here on the site.
thelymelight
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Posted: Tue Oct 30th, 2007 20:24 |
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Good points, thelymelight.
Thank you for bringing them up! Local knowledge is always welcomed.
Wishing all wellness!!!
Dark Vader...aka, George
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maman
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Posted: Sun Nov 11th, 2007 14:10 |
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I got 1 of my report (*25 D) and it's insufficient!! I was told it should read between 75-250 and mine read 56!!!
Pending is 1.25.
What do you think??
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Posted: Sun Nov 11th, 2007 15:45 |
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Maman,
Here in Ontario they recently increased the upper end of the 25D levels...in Nov 2005, MDS labs show that the range should be from 25-100 nmol/L...But just in Sept 2007, I had my blood tested at Dynacare and their ranges are much higher...they say anything from 25-75 nmol/L is an insufficiency...And yes they say a sufficieny is anything between 76-250 nmol/L...
To convert it to the non-metric result (as per Dr. Marshall's calculations) you divide your result of 56 nmol/L by 2.5 ng/ml and you get a result of 22.4 ng/ml which is apparently too high for those with Th 1 inflammatory diseases..I believe it should be down to 12 ng/ml..
If you take the reference range for here in ONT, of 76-250 and divide it by 2.5 ng/ml you get a range of 30.4 - 100 ng/ml as a normal range...Dr. Marshall says the ranges are now skewed b/c more and more people with Th1 diseases are getting the tests done, their results are high, so the labs or someone figures that the average level for people should be higher....But my understanding is that the numbers don't reflect a true level for the population as a whole.
When you get your 1.25D result, it will be in pmol/L - (metric), to convert it ,you divide your 1.25D result by 2.4 pg/ml (not 2.5 ng/ml). My result the first time was 173 pmol/L which when converted came to a result of 72.08 pg/ml, which is way too high..
Hope this helps....there is a section onthe main website, that explains the results, how to interpret them and how to convert them.
thelymelight
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Ph2~Nov'10-Aug'11/25D3ng/125D18pg
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Posted: Sun Nov 11th, 2007 19:19 |
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Hi, Maman,
thelymelight gave you some good information on converting and where to go for Dr. Marshall's thoughts.
I just would like to add from personal experience. My 25D just before I started the MP was 61 ng/ml. I had been supplementing very strongly with D. I had many symptoms ( I was sick! ) and the othodox medical community was NOT making me any better. Nor were supplements!
I am getting improvements NOW!
See my latest PR under the Alumni section. As Dr. Marshall predicted.... my innate immune system appears to have started to kick in now that my 25D test level is below 20 ng/ml. I am going for a 25D level of 12 ng/ml or less.
I believe in what works!!! and, ignoring what someone does not know anything about... from experience.
Wishing all wellness!
Dark Vader...aka, George
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Posted: Mon Oct 19th, 2009 04:19 |
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PM received from maman:
Dr. Marshall,
I am getting back to you after a long period. Just to inform you since I increase Vit D3 in my diet on the advise of my GP, I have started feeling so much better.
I thought to inform you about it.
Thank you,
And my response was:
You are feeling better because the Vitamin D is stopping your immune system from attacking the bacteria. Your physician has given you terribly bad advice. Please give him copies of our peer reviewed papers on this topic:
The moderators will help you understand what is happening inside your body due to the Vitamin D. The effect of the Vitamin D will eventually wear off, and you will be sicker than ever, as the bacteria multiply unhindered.
http://autoimmunityResearch.org/preprints/BlaneyAnnals2009Preprint.pdf
http://autoimmunityResearch.org/preprints/ProalAnnals2009Preprint.pdf
http://autoimmunityResearch.org/preprints/WaterhouseAnnals2009Preprint.pdf
http://AutoimmunityResearch.org/preprints/AR-Proal-Metagenome.pdf
http://AutoimmunityResearch.org/preprints/AR-Albert-VitD.pdf
http://TrevorMarshall.com/BioEssays-Feb08-Marshall-Preprint.pdf
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