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Posted: Mon Jan 12th, 2009 00:24 |
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| I plan to commence the MP shortly for dysbiosis of the gut (diagnosed by path tests as an enterococcus/prevotella overgrowth). Has anyone targeted gut-related problems successfully with the antibiotic combination as recommended? I appreciate comments and advice.
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Posted: Tue Jan 13th, 2009 00:39 |
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Woodie,
A number of MP patients have recovered from Candida:
http://bacteriality.com/search-results/?cx=013271705758360138132%3Apsu3saoxmfo&cof=FORID%3A11&ie=UTF-8&q=candida&sa.x=0&sa.y=0
I'm sure if you searched you could find examples of people recovering from dysbiosis of the gut.
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Posted: Tue Jan 13th, 2009 23:26 |
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| Thanks Paul - I'll post developments as they occur. There are millions of people who suffer from IBS in one form or another, and the MP may be the key to destroying biofilms and L-form bacteria in the gut.
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Posted: Wed Jun 10th, 2009 05:18 |
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I commenced the MP six months ago in an effort to cure a long battle with intestinal dysbiosis – which according to several pathology tests is an overgrowth of enterococcus. The dysbiosis occured following ten years of doxycycline use for a mild acne condition.
I’m now in Phase 3 of the MP, and although I’ve killed off bacteria throughout my body, I haven’t sustained any improvement with my gut problems. Of course I realise the MP wasn’t designed for this process, but I had hoped for some minor success.
My research indicates that enterococcus is an extremely robust bacterium and resistant to most antibiotics, including those prescribed for the MP. Over the years I have experimented with numerous antibiotics, with Erythromycin showing intermittent promise.
The question I would like to ask is this: Is there another combination of bacteriostatic antibiotics that fulfils the MP philosophy, but which may have a better result against intestinal enterococcus? For example, Chloramphenicol.
I appreciate any advice in this regard.
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Posted: Thu Jun 11th, 2009 10:59 |
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Hi Woodie. 
I hope you don't mind, I have merged your previous questions threads into this one.
You say the MP hasn't helped with your specific set of gut bacteria, and yet you have not created a signature line or posted your progress, so I have no idea what your 25-D level has been during your time on the MP.
It looks like you obtained a physician around February and in less than 3 months time are now taking the phase 3 antibiotics. Without posting your progress, and 25-D levels there is no way for us to understand what is happening with your treatment in order to offer you help from that angle.
However, there is some information I can offer that might help you in obtaining the answer you are looking for...
The MP is not a pharmaceutical anti-microbial treatment. It is a protocol designed to restore your own body's innate immune system to the point where it can produce it's own appropriate anti-microbials necessary to eradicate any and every foreign invader within our cells.
If you are not following the guidelines carefully, you may think you are on the MP, but are in fact, only using an ineffective imitation of it. 
Perhaps you can give us a little more information to help us help you figure out what is going on to get you on the right track? 
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Posted: Fri Jun 12th, 2009 02:57 |
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Hi Joyful,
Thanks for your response, and yes I should have been more open on the forum if I expect advice and input from members. Apologies here. To be honest, my situation is different from most - in that I don't suffer from an autoimmune disease (at least as far as I know!). But I have been diligent in following the MP guidelines.
At the start of the programme my 25-D level was 39 ng/ml. No surprise here, because I was supplementing Vit D for years. However, over the past six months I have been on a strict no-Vit D diet, wear the Noir sunglasses, avoid sun exposure and have taken Olmesarten 4 times daily.
Throughout all three Phases my IP has been moderate - with flu sysmptoms, fatigue, muscle soreness and kidney pain being the major issues. I made sure I advanced to the next stage when IP was minimal or completely absent. For example, I'm now on the maximum dose of all three antibiotics as prescribed in Phase Three - yet have very minor IP symptoms.
I understand the MP is designed to restore my innate immune system - with the revived immune system then eradicating pathogens. However, does this include eradication of supposed non-pathogenic commensal gut bacteria that has been with me since birth? The intestine of a healthy individual contains trillions of bacteria that regulate intestinal physiology and function. How does a fully functioning innate immune system interact with these bacteria?
In my case, I enjoyed excellent intestinal health until long term doxycyline treatment. It appears the doxycyline eradicated the weak species of gut bacteria, and encouraged the survival and growth of strong, resistant species such as enterococcus. And this is the dilemma. The enterococcus isn't an invading bacteria - it has always been present, but now in much larger quantity. Can the MP and my reviving innate immune system deal with this?
I realise my case is left field - but if anyone can help I would certainly appreciate it.
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Posted: Fri Jun 12th, 2009 10:06 |
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Thanks for your background information Woodie.
Since you have not filled in a signature line in your profile, I looked back and see that you first posted you plan to go on the MP 11 Jan 09 and started a couple of weeks later I suppose. I can tell you are good at reviewing your options and launching into the course of action you determine is right in your case. Good for you!
Since you probably have studied the new phase 1 guidelines, you may be aware that the usual recommendation is that doctors do not prescribe the second antibiotic until the 25-D levels are around 12 ng/mL.
While you may not feel concern in your case, the reason for this still stands. People need to learn how to manage their higher level of immunopathology after the innate immune system is activated... and preferably before they are taking an antibiotic that has a half life in the tissues of around 45 days.
You have not followed this approach and may find yourself with a good amount of discomfort at the point where this kicks in. We can't stress enough (from our own personal experience as well as the overall cohort experience) how important it is for some one in your situation to keep retesting your 25-D every 2 months until it is down to that range. This is for your safety as well as for the most efficient recovery possible.
If you have reviewed the latest phase 2/3 guidelines, you may be aware that there are a couple of other antibiotic options besides the long term use of main 'trio'. I would also point out that using these three main antibiotics in combination should overcome any resistance a pathogen might have against a single one of these antibiotics used alone.
I typed the words "gut bacteria" into the Google Custom Search window at the upper right part of this page and found this discussion thread that may help you with some more ideas about the answer to your questions: Probiotics...
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Posted: Mon Jun 15th, 2009 00:07 |
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Hi Joyful,
Thanks for your words of encouragement - and yes I do plan to try the different antibiotic combinations as prescribed in Phase 3.
I'll also seek a new test for 25-D level, and will report back.
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Posted: Mon Jun 15th, 2009 20:23 |
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Hi again, Woodie.
This page from the MP knowledge base on Marshall Protocol medications may provide you with some guidance when discussing your course of treatment with your doctor.
The knowledge base is still a work in progress and I noticed that some of the medication pages are not complete, but the table does provide a different way to look at the information. Bactrim has been found to target gut bacteria by some of our cohort. Others find it provokes strong IP in the skin.
On the 25-D test: Sometimes it drops nicely, but others have found the levels stay high with no explainable reason. So be prepared for an unexpected result. Hopefully it will turn out to be heading in the right direction.
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