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Posted: Wed Apr 16th, 2008 19:11 |
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Thanks for the information. The paper is not only well written but also informative. My doctor really appreciated the copy I gave him.
OK I have another question. Ever since I had my severe reaction to the quiniolines it is as if my immune system has stopped working. I am currently taking keflex and zithromax together to keep the infections at bay and together they are bearly cutting it. I need to get off the zithromax for at least 2 to 3 weeks prior to the treatment. I also need to get off the keflex a few days before.
My question is this. What do we know actually does stimulate the immune system so that i can use this information prior to starting my treatment in hopes that the infections remain under control until I am able to start. I'm hoping of course that the Benicar helps the immune system quickly when I start or I'll be in trouble.
Are there any statistically known immunomodulators that are not toxic. I would like to stay away from the p450 pathway to the liver if possible.
I have seen research that illuded to the fact that SSRI's may be an immunomodulator. I see the article on the MP site and I remember when it came out. I try to stay away from supplements as much as possible and there are a lot out there that claim to stimulate immune response. (olive leaf, beta glucans, pro boost, transfer factor, etc.)
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Julia
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Posted: Thu Apr 17th, 2008 22:43 |
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Karen,
Forgive me, but you sound a little as if you're saying, "I must just get myself well first, so that then I can go to the doctor."  You won't get your immune system working properly, until you start the MP.
The infections are not being helped by the antibiotics you're on at present. You need Benicar (as you say, when you've cleared the abx from your system). Benicar enables the immune system so that it can deal with the CWD bacteria, and also with the co-infections.
You are wise to stay off supplements, no matter how temptingly they advertise 'immune system activation'. Dr Marshall has demonstrated on the molecular level (to those who understand these things  ) that the only activation which the immune system needs is provided by Benicar.
Julia 
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Hogan
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Posted: Thu Apr 17th, 2008 23:56 |
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Julia,
Thanks for your e-mail. I'm not saying cure me of the CWD or even my mulitple co-viral and bacterial infections. I am saying that I have had multiple acute infections this year and I am trying to get them under control. Each time I have gone off the antibiotics I get an infection again within a few days. I understand it may be an opportunistic infection but that doesn't help the situation I'm in.
Believe me there is nothing I would like better than to throw them all away. I don't know if I could walk around with pneumonia for a week without doing something about it. I was asking if there is any research that might help my body keep the acute issues as least at bay while I transfer to the protocol. I'm not looking for something as powerful as benicar but something that might help my immune system deal with the acute issues while I transfer. 
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Posted: Fri Apr 18th, 2008 09:07 |
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Karen,
I think for safety we need to refer this discussion to the medical moderators. I'll contact them, but it may be a few days before you get a response.
Julia 
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Hogan
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Posted: Thu May 15th, 2008 19:23 |
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| I got the ok from my Doc to start the protocol on June 22. Am I going to have a problem getting into the protocol since I saw on the site that it is now closed. I have spent a lot of effort getting all my doctors on board with this and it doesn't seem fair that I would be closed out after I spent so much time setting it up.
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GeorgeinRollaMO
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Posted: Thu May 15th, 2008 21:08 |
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Hogan,
You are shown as being a Member on the big list. I think that you can rest easily. Luckily, you had registered at about the same time on the 'study' site as here. 
Wishing you, and all, wellness!!!
Dark Vader...aka, George
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Posted: Thu May 15th, 2008 23:06 |
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Thanks George that really makes me feel much better. I have had a hard time finding a doc who would do it and my primary has said he would but he had never heard of it before I brought him the information so I was worried that he would back out if I told him that I couldn't be part of the study.
Thanks a million.
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Hogan
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Posted: Wed May 28th, 2008 01:00 |
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Does anyone know the molecular weight of D, 25 and D 1,25? I have a friend in the healthcare field who wants to know for some work they are doing. I thought someone here would know. I told them I would ask.
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Karen
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Posted: Wed May 28th, 2008 02:06 |
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Hogan (Karen ?),
I offer my apologies, due to this being a time of transition, I got that wrong about your being OK because you had registered in time.  As you haven't yet posted, it seems, in the Benicar forum, or the Benicar & mino forum, you have to apply, if you hadn't already picked up on that information. To obtain an application form, please send an email to tmmangin@charter.net with 'MP application' in the subject line.
Thank you for your understanding!
Wishing you, and all, wellness!!!
Dark Vader...aka, George
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Julia
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Posted: Wed May 28th, 2008 09:27 |
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Karen,
Doing a search of the main site (please try this before you ask ) produced this results:
The molecular weight of 25-D is 400.3341 - 400.637 and of 1,25-D is 416.3 - 416.65.
The ranges are due to different websites giving different figures. Your friend might be able to find more definitive weights by Googling.
Julia 
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Hogan
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Posted: Thu May 29th, 2008 12:08 |
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thanks George I was accepted into the study and have my doctor in place. I have to finish weaning off antibiotics since they had me on zith so I will be starting around the second to third week in June assuming all weaning goes well with no acute infections.
Thanks for your help.
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Posted: Thu May 29th, 2008 12:09 |
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Julia,
Thanks for your help. This will get her started.
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Posted: Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 13:12 |
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Hi Hogan,
I am in central NY and my BP has always been low (at the doctors office) 110/69 and never much higher. I would call that the average. I have been on benicar 40 mg 4 X day since 5/29/08. Doing well, the only time I notice anything is maybe 3 times getting up from a kneeling position. Good Luck.
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Posted: Wed Jun 18th, 2008 14:47 |
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Dr. Marshall-
I am desperate to find help for my mom, Alice. She has had sarcoidosis for 10+ years, and has the chronic type. She recently has taken a turn for the worse with her lungs and heart involvement. She has been put on oral steroids for the past 6 months and is trying to wean off. I have done extensive reserch into your Marshall protocol. I believe that my mom would benefit from the Marshall protocol. How do I find a doctor to correctly treat her, and follow it exactly???
She just returned from Mayo clinic, and they hadn't even heard of the Marshall protocol... They also didn't test her vitaman D levels. They said since her blood calcium level was ok there is no need. But she has calcium crystals in her urine.
I would greatly appreciate any information on doctors or medicla organizations that have experience following your protocol. Thank you.. Beth
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Posted: Wed Jun 18th, 2008 15:23 |
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Hi Beth, and welcome!
Thank you for posting. Please could you start a new thread for your mum, by clicking 'new topic' and copying this there? Call it 'Alice's questions'. We find it helps to have a personal thread for each person's questions for continuity. Thanks
When you do that I'll delete this one, and one of the advocates will answer you in your own thread.
It would be best if your mum could post for herself, if at all possible. I hope she's been doing as much reading for herself as possible - there's such a lot of information to absorb.
Julia
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Hogan
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Posted: Mon Jul 21st, 2008 21:12 |
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I have a question that would need knowledge of the antibiotics. I know in the site it says that the combination of antibiotics makes it more difficult for the l form bacteria to mutate and thus makes it easier for the immune system to get them successfully. Can we extend this scenario to acute bacterial infections or the co-infections that we might have. Does the scientific concept work the same or is it different for cell walled bacteria?
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Julia
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Posted: Mon Jul 21st, 2008 21:21 |
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Karen,
Have you had a look at Will the Marshall Protocol treat co-infections? Let us know if that doesn't answer your question, and we'll have another go
Julia 
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Posted: Mon Jul 21st, 2008 21:37 |
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Yes Julia I did look at this. Specifically I was wondering if regular bacteria would react the same way regarding the way they doc into ribosome the same way or not? The following discussion suggests that this is so. I was just wondering if this worked with all cell walled bacteria as well?
Kiling the bacteria causing these chronic diseases is a very difficult task, and that is why the MP is not just a simple "take these pills for 5 days" routine.
The MP antibiotics are wide spectrum, and, by the time you get to phase 3, are capable of killing just about any bacterium you might have accumulated in your body. H. Pylori translates its proteins with a 70S [highlight= #88ff88]ribosome, and so is just as susceptible as all the other species of bacteria.
Frankly, the antibiotics you have been given over the last few months have been shown in the lab to kill H.pylori, yet you yourself have found that they are not killing the H.pylori in your body.
The antibiotics we use in the MP are designed to inhibit bacterial growth and defenses by inhibiting Ribosomal protein synthesis. All bacteria need to manufacture a variety of proteins in order to survive. The MP is designed to make that task progressively harder.
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Posted: Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 05:39 |
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Hogan,
"All bacteria need to manufacture a variety of proteins in order to survive. The MP is designed to make that task progressively harder."
Also see:
Antibiotics-Basic Information (click here)
I need to take a different antibiotic for awhile. What should I do?
Won't the bacteria become resistant to the antibiotics if I take them a long time?
Tetracyclines are all different at the molecular level
Why doesn't the MP use some of the other antibiotics? amoxicillin ceftin etc
Fluoroquinolone Antibiotics
Best to you Hogan--Janet
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