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Posted: Sun Jan 27th, 2008 09:14 |
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Hello,
I am seriously considering beginning MP which sounds very promising to me.
I have been reading through some success stories in MP study site and now I am thinking it would be very nice to see some more detailed statistics showing the percentage of cure and/or improvement in pacient on MP. Also nice would be to see improvement over groups with different diagnosis (Lyme, sarc, RA, MS etc...).
Is there any chart like that available?
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Posted: Sun Jan 27th, 2008 10:35 |
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Wojta,
Please review the paper "When are randomized trials unnecessary? Picking signal from noise"
http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/abstract/334/7589/349
You will need detail in the the full-text, which you can get from your medical library.
This review was written by staff from the Center for Evidence Based Medicine, Oxford University, and it sets out the criteria to be followed when the evidence base is overwhelming, as it is in our study.
Paradigm shifts often defy numerical quantification, as in the examples given in that paper (the introduction of Penicillin, Cardiac Pacemakers, ether, blood transfusions, etc). In our study nearly everybody slowly recovers their health. Those who don't have the fortitude to stay with the regimen fail, of course, but virtually nobody else does. Quantification (numbers) therefore become subjective, as is discussed in that paper. It comes down to the meaning of the words used in definitions - "recovery," "speed" and etc. These will all be eclipsed by history, as was true in the innovations cited in that paper.
We have demonstrated the existence of a totally new Microbiota in man. This Microbiota is responsible fro nearly all chronic disease, and is also a major determinant in the processes of aging. That concept defies quantification. Read some more, and let your mind understand what is happening here. You are seeing the process of history unfold. You cannot squash that process into the confines of past pragma and study methodologies, new methodologies have to be developed to encompass the vast scope of our work.
..Trevor..
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Posted: Sun Jan 27th, 2008 14:15 |
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Wojta,
You might also like to look at Where can I find statistics about the Marshall Protocol?
Julia 
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Wojta1
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Posted: Tue Feb 5th, 2008 06:45 |
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Hello,
I will be commencing Marshall Protocol in a week or so. In about three weeks I would like to go for complete retest of borrelia antibiodies by Elisa, Western Blot and also PCR test.
Normally these tests shouldn't be done while on abx since nothing will be found in blood. What is the effect of Benicar on these tests? My guess is that since Benicar activates the immune system, there should be also increased antibody markers, or not? Should I wait for some reason with Benicar before having the tests done?
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Posted: Tue Feb 5th, 2008 11:10 |
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Hi, Wojt1,
Welcome!!! I am happy to read that you will be starting the MP protocol soon.
But may I ask why do you want to spend sooooo much money on running some tests that will give you no useful information, except maybe to qualify for some insurance? If you have to pay for all of those tests and the doctor consulting fees to go alone with them, you could go a long way on the MP with that money instead.
The only test that you need are the 125D hormone and the 25D tests... preferably, done by Quest Diagnostic Labs... their procedure code # 5678. Do the 125D hormone test BEFORE you start taking the Benicar!!!!!! The information is not of much value afterwards.
Yes, if you HAPPEN to be one of those lucky few persons who start to turn on your VDR quickly with Benicar, some antibodies might be produced.
The LLMD's will do a therapeutic probe of giving some penicillin for a short course to turn on antibodies for testing purposes. This causes the outer cell wall material of the CW (cell wall) form of borrelia to be given off as the penicillin causes them to change to their alternate form... CWD (cell wall deficient, or also, called L-forms)... to have somethng for antibodies to be produced against, is the theory, I believe. I think the course of penicillin is about ten days. Then, it takes four to six weeks for the antibodies to kick in.
Why wait to have more L-forms to kill off and give you more IP (herxing)?
Wishing you, and all, wellness!!! 
Dark Vader...aka, George
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Wojta1
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Posted: Tue Feb 5th, 2008 11:57 |
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Hello George,
thanks for your post.
The reason why I want to have the tests done is that only then I can prove to some people that my problems are not psychic-based (it is hard although I had a tick last year in the spring, problems began in the summer and LD antibodies came up only positive in IgG,and I am still not well at all even after 3 months on abx and Plaquenil - although improved a lot) and also require some kind of treatment besides the MP (of course not concurrently, just to have it as an option to MP) or even MP from my doctor and/or insurance company.
The good thing is that all those tests - Elisa, WB, PCR would be covered by insurance without any problem and I would be finally able to prove my Lyme
Unfortunately, it is impossible for me to get an insurance-covered 125D and 25D tests, since it is so specific that my doctor doesn't see any reason to have them done for me (argument suggestions are welcome ). Therefore I was thinking to do MP just as a therapeutic probe - without the tests - and continue if it works.
According to your post I will still maybe reconsider this, unfortunately it takes me a day from work to travel to a place where they do those tests.
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Posted: Tue Feb 5th, 2008 23:09 |
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Wojta,
It's good that you'll soon be able to start the MP. I'm not sure whether you've managed to find all the essential information you need before starting, so at the risk of telling you what you already know, can I give you a check-list to make sure you've got 'all your ducks in a row'...
NoIR glasses ordered.
Get D tests done and post results in the Preliminary test results forum for analysis. See What to include in your preliminary test results report.
Eliminate vitamin D from diet.
Eliminate all supplements.
Assess any other medications you're taking, with your doctor and the guidance of our medical moderators (post them along with your test results). Take care - some meds can't be stopped abruptly. If you've been taking steroids, see Weaning from steroids, and you need to post in the Weaning From Steroids Forum.
Darken your home and restrict your daytime outings to the essential only, well covered up, using zinc oxide sunscreen on your face.
Explain these restrictions simply to other family members and friends. (If you encounter any problems here, I can give you some links to ideas from other members' experiences.)
Provided you haven't any medications to wean from, that's it... you can start (as soon as you get your NoIR glasses) on Benicar at 40mg every 6 or 8 hours (6 is best). At this point, start a new topic ('Wojta1 on Benicar') in the Benicar only Forum. This becomes your Progress Report, and once you've started the MP, all your medical and lifestyle questions should be asked there.
Until you start Benicar, please continue to ask your questions here, keeping them all in this thread for continuity
Julia
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Posted: Sat Feb 9th, 2008 15:29 |
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Hi,
I just wanted to know - is there any information on how contiguous Th1 inflammation acting as autoimmunity disease caused by CWD bacterias is? What is the chance of passing it to family members? What kind of protection is suggested?
Does the Benicar alone affect the infectiousness, or is this affected only after eliminated the bacterial load with antibiotics?
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Posted: Sat Feb 9th, 2008 15:38 |
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Here's some information on the topic:
Will re-infection occur if my partner or family members are not treated?
Am I contagious?
How does Th1 inflammation develop? What is successive infection?
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Posted: Sat Feb 9th, 2008 16:07 |
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Rico, thanks for the great links
Wojta, I've merged your question with your own thread for continuity.
Julia
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Posted: Sun Feb 10th, 2008 09:04 |
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Hi, Wojta!
You might also consider reading http://bacteriality.com/2007/10/31/family/
The article is written by a very talented and knowledgeable MP member, who has and is doing the MP protocol.
You might also read some of the other articles linked in the right hand column of that website.
We had a beautiful day here in Rolla on Saturday,  but the forecast is for an ice storm on Monday. 
And for those who wonder why I make the comment, Wojta attended the University here in Rolla for a time. He is now living in the Czech Republic in Eastern Europe.
IMO, it is a small world that his question be first answered by someone living where he attended a University in the U.S. I think that is amazing!!!
Wishing you, and all, wellness!!!
Dark Vader...aka, George
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Posted: Tue Feb 19th, 2008 05:27 |
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H1 antagonist - Xyzal (levocetirizini) 3rd generation antihystamine and Marshall Protocol
Hello,
I have a new question(s) to ask. I have been taking this medication for 2.5 years now (I started with it after some persistent cough during one summer when I couldn't get rid of that cough) and since then have never been able to discontinue it, because very bad allergic reaction occurs, no matter if it's summer or winter.
First of all - can this drug be taken with Marshall Protocol - if there is any such information and second - do you have any suggestion whether this might be a sign of a Th1 inflammation? I have asked a few doctors already but none of them has been able to answer why I have problems discontinuing it.
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Posted: Tue Feb 19th, 2008 06:53 |
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Hi, Wojta,
Your American English is better than my Czech.
Tell me what, "vyhrabala něco jiného se stejným složením a za ploviční cenu než Zyrtec." is saying? Is this a steroid?????
If "yes", there is your answer!!!!
Much like Americans saying "Prednisone".
One Finger George ( see my Alumni post )
P.S. The ice storm was a nothing!!!!
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Posted: Tue Feb 19th, 2008 07:02 |
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George, Xyzal, Levocetirizine Dihydrochloride, is a third generation antihistamine.
Wojta, I would be happy to chat with Doc about the use of antihistamines, but briefly, I would tell him/her that you will almost certainly not need medications such as Xyzal if you have an adequate dose of Benicar available. The MP is correcting the cause of the illness. That is why it is different. That is why you can't go adding or subtracting things. Hundreds of patients have been down that road before you
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Posted: Tue Feb 19th, 2008 08:12 |
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Dear Trevor and George,
thanks for your answers.
As far as I know (and it's not very far ) antihistamine is not a steroid (I hope - I really wouldn't be happy to find out I've been taking such strong immunosuppresant, though in my opinion antihistamines are suppresive too).
Trevor, may I ask - do I have to discontinue Xyzal before starting Benicar, or can I be still taking in the first phase/days/week of MP? Quite bad allergic reaction comes within 2-3 days after stopping Xyzal and I don't know if Benicar will be already helping that to relieve.
George, the sentence: "vyhrabala něco jiného se stejným složením a za ploviční cenu než Zyrtec" means "she dug up (found) something else with the same composition and for half-price of Zyrtec" . Zyrtec, I believe, is a second-generation antihistamine.
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Posted: Thu Feb 21st, 2008 04:13 |
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Hi,
yesterday I found out my LDL is elevated according to my new blood tests. As far as I know I am not the only one with Lyme/Cpn infection having it like this. Is there any effect of Benicar or the whole MP on lowering this value?
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Posted: Thu Feb 21st, 2008 05:30 |
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Posted: Thu Feb 21st, 2008 09:43 |
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Wojta,
I would suggest that you concentrate on doing the MP, and seeing what happens with the LDL. The MP should, and has, taken care of the "problem" for others, if it really is a "problem".
The whole idea of cholesterol being the "bad guy" has never been proven. See what this Swedish doctor says about the "study" that caused the whole hellabaloo about cholesterol to begin with.... http://www.ravnskov.nu/myth2.htm and be sure to read the "About the Author" at the bottom, and maybe some of his other papers that you can find links to at that site.
Dr. Lida Mattman, Phd, microbiologist, who was nominated for the Nobel Prize in Medicine in 1998, and who has written the textbook, CELL WALL DEFICIENT; THE STEALTH PATHOGENS has said that she is convinced that it is the CWD forms that are causing the underlying trouble that the cholesterol is used to cover over to protect the body. Calling cholesterol the bad guy is like calling the cops the bad guys because they always show up at homocide scenes.
IMO, the current cholesterol story/scare is nothing more than a plot to sell statins. A Los Angelos Times newspaper reporter looked into the story of how the Recommended Max. Total Cholesterol Level was lowered from 260 to 200, and found that six of the nine doctors making the recommendation to the NIH was on the financial take of the BIG PHARM companies that make the statins. This was reported in that newspaper and the Wall Street Journal.
Relax! Do the MP! And don't mix products that could cause you problems.
Wishing you, and all, wellness!!!
Dark Vader...aka, George
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Posted: Mon Apr 28th, 2008 10:59 |
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Hello all,
I already have some knowledge of MP and have been on it for 5 weeks now.
However, there are still some things going through my head which I would like to ask here:
First, how does correlate with MP theory the fact, that some AI diseases such as MS, are much less frequent in countries with more sunshine (the closer to the equator the fewer cases), and second - how is explained, that rickets decreased significantly in the population with the fortification of milk with Vitamin D?
Thanks and good health to everybody.
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Posted: Mon Apr 28th, 2008 14:30 |
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Wojta,
My understanding is that Th1 disease is not excluded from any latitude on the planet. MS is simply one diagnostic title for Th1. Prevalence for use of diagnostic titles also vary per regional co-infection and typical successive options for different locations. Red herrings have contributed to commonly held medical beliefs for a long time.
Dr Marshall wrote:
Medicine is not very precise when diagnosing the idiopathic diseases, unfortunately.
For a fuller discussion on MS, you may want to read:
Vitamin D and rickets have been a very popular topic on the study site, with many very important connections with recent research that debunks the Rickets myth. You may enjoy reading:
Best to you Wojta--Janet
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