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Leroybrown
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Posted: Thu Oct 15th, 2009 16:54 |
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If you have l-form bacteria in your white cells, would your white cells attack them? I assume neutrophils attack bacteria, so if you had bacteria in your neutrophils, would they be killing each other?
I ask because I had severe neutropenia 18 yrs ago, and mild neutropenia ever since.
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Marty.K
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Posted: Thu Oct 15th, 2009 17:43 |
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I would think the bacteria originates from the bone marrow thats why it can't produce either white or red blood cells. Have you had a bone marrow biopsy? I remeber when they were trying to figure out why my platelet count was so low, they tested the bone marrow first to see if that was the problem. so meybe its not your blood that might be infected its the bone marrow.
Just an idea.
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Leroybrown
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Posted: Thu Oct 15th, 2009 17:56 |
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I've lost track of how many bone marrows I've had done over the years. I think it's around 8 or 9. I had the last one done last Dec, nice that they use disposable needles now, they are smaller and hurt way less. The older ones I had done 18 yrs ago and felt like having a wine corkscrew drilled into your hip. Nobody ever found bacteria as far as I know, but L-forms wouldn't show up anyway I guess.
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benicar 40mg q6hrs
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Knochen
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Posted: Thu Oct 15th, 2009 18:21 |
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Th1 is systemic. Don't get hung up on what organs it appears to be in.
http://www.boston.com/news/science/articles/2008/02/25/of_microbes_and_men/
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Leroybrown
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Posted: Thu Oct 15th, 2009 18:31 |
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I know. I'm just trying to make sense of my condition, but I guess I may never know (still doesn't stop me from trying to find out though  )
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benicar 40mg q6hrs
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Chris
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Posted: Fri Oct 16th, 2009 02:02 |
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Yes, white blood cells in bone marrow will attack things. That's why they found granulomas in my bone marrow test (clumps of white blood cells attacking something, but what the doctors could not explain).
And I agree about the old bone marrow tests. Happy to not have to do that again.
-Chris
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Posted: Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 04:46 |
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| The reason the Th1 microbiota is able to persist is that it has ways of avoiding phagocytosis. So when you're not reactivating the VDR with olmesartan, white cells most certainly do contain bacteria, and cannot kill them.
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